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Hezbollah are ruthless, heartless human beings.
Again and again they claim to have Lebanon's interests at heart - when in fact they are merely using Lebanon as a base in order to further Syrian and Iranian agendas.
Again and again they have claimed Israel to be targeting civilian outposts for destruction - Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation which uses guerrilla tactics to fight; that means it uses the local population as #1 Weapons stations, #2 "Military" bases, #3 Canon fodder - If anyone thinks Hezbollah didn't first stuff that building in Qana with weapons (knowing Israel would find that weapons store) and then stuffed it with innocent civilians just so Israel would bomb that building and make the world see "Israel for the monster it is", then you are sorely mistaken, because that is exactly what they did.

Hezbollah has and is using and abusing the Lebanese, I've said this before and I'll say it again, Hezbollah and Nassrallah couldn't give a naked, shit infested rat's ass, over the Lebanese, who they would sacrifice in order to promote their own hate and war mongering aggression filled agendas.

Moreover, Fouad Sanyora, Lebanon's Prime Minister, thanked... *thanked* Hezbollah for standing up to Israel. That man is corrupt, Hezbollah is not Lebanon's army, it is, as I've stated, an organisation interested on furthering Syrian and Iranian interests! He has let his people down in a way I cannot imagine them ever recovering from.

Israel does what it can to warn civilians about coming attacks, Israel hides nothing of what it does; Hezbollah claimed they had no rocket launching out posts in Qana, we proved they did and attacked, we warned the civilians (and that includes Hezbollah, because the message is heard by everyone) and Hezbollah used those innocents to create anti-Israeli propaganda. They used human lives in the most callous, disgusting way possible.

Israel does not want to fight in villages, but Hezbollah uses those villages as outposts and villages that harbour criminals know what to expect, because we tell them to leave!
Hezbollah fires missiles every, goddamn, day! On regular, innocent, Israeli, civilians, it is not the Lebanese army doing this and we are not fighting the Lebanese army, but the world refuses to see Hezbollah for what they really are and the Lebanese are the ones suffering from a corrupt leader, a terrorist organization using, abusing and basically murdering them and an army (IDF) that has no choice but to bomb them because of the reasons above.

Hezbollah has made villages into battle fields and dead children into propaganda, the IDF has done everything in it's power to target only Hezbollah outposts and rocket launchers.
Hezbollah is a terrorist organization with an illegal militia wing using Lebanon as a base of operations. The IDF is the army of a sovereign country.
Hezbollah kidnapped two soldiers (and has great influence over the kidnappers of a third), the IDF reacted to a Casus Belli!
Hezbollah are the ones who began fighting and in that instant they became the aggressors, Israel will do what it can to end this with the least amount of death on either side, because that is how we try to do things. Hezbollah couldn't care less about how many innocent people die, the more Lebanese civilians die, the better anti-Israel propaganda Hezbollah has and so they are willing to use an many people as possible in order to get that end, because the means are really not an issue for them.

Re: Playing devils advocate

Date: 2006-08-02 01:35 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I've been trying to find backup for the idea that the building was packed with explosives by Hezbollah as I'm not naive enough to assume that they are beyond this.
So far though it's not really holding up.
A number of news sites are reporting that the building had been hit 8 hours after the actual attack but as far as I can see it is only sites that have a very strong IDF bias.
Sites I would personally call fairly neutral (CNN, reuters, BBC) aren't realy touching this one.
(my definition of neutral is that if I can find a reasonable number of people calling that news station both pro and anti then they're probably fairly neutral. Ynetnews and Al-Jazeera I would categories as extreme pro and anti biased stations)

But there are a few points I've come across that when put together smell rotten to me.

1: Almost everyone- Seems to agree that the building was hit a little before 1AM. A few extreme sites claim the building was not hit at all but casing fragments reportedly found push me to dismiss this possibility.

2: BBC- Residents claim the building collapsed shortly after the airstrike.(about 10 minutes)

3: Sami Yazbuk, the head of the Red Cross- claimed that the first call about the bombing was received at 7 AM.

4: "Israeli Air Force Headquarters commander Brigadier-General Amir Eshel and head of the Israeli Operations Directorate, Aluf Gadi Eizenkot told reporters that an initial investigation found the building in Qana collapsed about eight hours after being hit. Israeli officials also raised the possibility that Hezbollah explosives stored in the building were behind the collapse."
There seem to be no claims that it was 6 hours as far as google can find.

Anyone seeing any problems with the times here?

I'm taking the red cross to be a fairly reliable source .
Either the investigators can't do math or the collapse was reported 2 hours before it actually happened.
A 5 or 6 hour delay in reporting the hit would not be surprising with the damage to communication infrastructure and we might assume that someone had to run to the next town to find a working phone etc.
On the other hand a report 2 hours before the collapse would be quite odd indeed.
My respect for the quality of the IDF investigation is severely dented.

Re: Playing devils advocate

Date: 2006-08-02 01:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"building had been hit 8 hours after the actual attack"
Change to "building had collapsed 8 hours after the actual attack"

silly mistake

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V and Justice

V: Ah, I was forgetting that we are not properly introduced. I do not have a name. You can call me V. Madam Justice...this is V. V... this is Madam Justice. hello, Madam Justice.

Justice: Good evening, V.

V: There. Now we know each other. Actually, I've been a fan of yours for quite some time. Oh, I know what you're thinking...

Justice: The poor boy has a crush on me...an adolescent fatuation.

V: I beg your pardon, Madam. It isn't like that at all. I've long admired you...albeit only from a distance. I used to stare at you from the streets below when I was a child. I'd say to my father, "Who is that lady?" And he'd say "That's Madam Justice." And I'd say "Isn't she pretty."

V: Please don't think it was merely physical. I know you're not that sort of girl. No, I loved you as a person. As an ideal.

Justice: What? V! For shame! You have betrayed me for some harlot, some vain and pouting hussy with painted lips and a knowing smile!

V: I, Madam? I beg to differ! It was your infidelity that drove me to her arms!

V: Ah-ha! That surprised you, didn't it? You thought I didn't know about your little fling. But I do. I know everything! Frankly, I wasn't surprised when I found out. You always did have an eye for a man in uniform.

Justice: Uniform? Why I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. It was always you, V. You were the only one...

V: Liar! Slut! Whore! Deny that you let him have his way with you, him with his armbands and jackboots!

V: Well? Cat got your tongue? I though as much.

V: Very well. So you stand revealed at last. you are no longer my justice. You are his justice now. You have bedded another.

Justice: Sob! Choke! Wh-who is she, V? What is her name?

V: Her name is Anarchy. And she has taught me more as a mistress than you ever did! She has taught me that justice is meaningless without freedom. She is honest. She makes no promises and breaks none. Unlike you, Jezebel. I used to wonder why you could never look me in the eye. Now I know. So good bye, dear lady. I would be saddened by our parting even now, save that you are no longer the woman I once loved.

*KABOOM!*

-"V for Vendetta"

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