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About a week ago, I posted this at [livejournal.com profile] queer_rage, and I told my sister about the incident and she asked me why is being gay or bi a big deal.
I tried to explain, not very well, since I did not manage to put my point across, why the need for queer visibility was needed and that a hetero-normative society was not a positive thing.

So now I would like to know, is gay/bi visibility that important?
Why do we feel the need for advertising ourselves?
Is it for the "agenda", to make a statement?
Or are we (I) merely an attention whore?

I would like to believe that I am not doing this merely because I feel a need to put my self "out there" and that it does have a positive reason.

My sister, to whom I am able to listen to without putting forth the prickly defenses Mummy does, agrees that one shouldn't advertise ones self when it comes to sexuality , religion etc.

*scratches head* Some deep thinking ahead.

I'd like to know what you all think.

Late night digging

Date: 2006-02-21 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schniff.livejournal.com
is gay/bi visibility that important?
Important to who? It may be important to you. I think it's only natural that if you feel like part of a community or movement, you'd want to be recognized by other members of it.

Now here comes the part that it's too late to translate in my head:
הבעיה שלי עם "פרסום" כזה היא 1. הוא עלול להוות סיכון פשוט כי הוא יכול להיתפס כהתרסה אצל אנשים מטומטמים. ואנשים מטומטמים הם בדיוק אלה שצריך להיזהר מהם.
2. הוא מדגיש את העובדה שהומוסקסואליות היא לא נורמטיבית, דבר שיכול להרתיע אנשים שנוטים לכיוון, אבל עדיין מחפשים את הנורמה.
3. אני בטוחה שישנם כאלה שבאמת עושים את זה, אבל גם כאשר זו לא הכוונה, ניתנת התחושה שאנשים מגדירים את עצמם באמצעות תכונה אחת - נטיה מינית.

Also, what's a positive reason? And why is the need to put yourself "out there" not one?

Re: Late night digging

Date: 2006-02-21 01:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
תשובות לפי סדר:
1. תלוי איזה פרסום: כפתור, תג, תליון, חולצה? נכון, ישנם דרכים בהם הפרסום הוא קצת בוטה מדי (למשל חולצה במקום שהוא אינו קווירי טיפוסי) אבל כפתור אחד? *shrug* אני באמת שלא חושבת שזה סיבה להתרסה.

2. כל הנקודה היא שהומוסקסואליות היא אינה נורמטיבית, זוהי התפיסה הכללית, אם אין "פרסום" אז הומוסקסואליות נעשית בלתי נראית ושוב אנחנו תקועים אם הטרו-נורמטיביות דבר שאינו הכלל.

3. יש אנשים שגם מגדירים את עצמם על פי דת ותו לא, על פי צבע עורם, על פי עדתם וכו'. גם זהו דבר שהוא לא חיובי במיוחד אבל אף אחד לא אומר לאותם אנשים שהזהות שלהם אינה לגיטימת.

Also, point taken.

כמעט שכחתי

Date: 2006-02-21 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schniff.livejournal.com
לציין שאני לא נגד בשום אופן. כל הבעיות האלה הן באמת כלום לעומת הבעיה שיצרה את הצורך בויזיביליות...

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V and Justice

V: Ah, I was forgetting that we are not properly introduced. I do not have a name. You can call me V. Madam Justice...this is V. V... this is Madam Justice. hello, Madam Justice.

Justice: Good evening, V.

V: There. Now we know each other. Actually, I've been a fan of yours for quite some time. Oh, I know what you're thinking...

Justice: The poor boy has a crush on me...an adolescent fatuation.

V: I beg your pardon, Madam. It isn't like that at all. I've long admired you...albeit only from a distance. I used to stare at you from the streets below when I was a child. I'd say to my father, "Who is that lady?" And he'd say "That's Madam Justice." And I'd say "Isn't she pretty."

V: Please don't think it was merely physical. I know you're not that sort of girl. No, I loved you as a person. As an ideal.

Justice: What? V! For shame! You have betrayed me for some harlot, some vain and pouting hussy with painted lips and a knowing smile!

V: I, Madam? I beg to differ! It was your infidelity that drove me to her arms!

V: Ah-ha! That surprised you, didn't it? You thought I didn't know about your little fling. But I do. I know everything! Frankly, I wasn't surprised when I found out. You always did have an eye for a man in uniform.

Justice: Uniform? Why I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. It was always you, V. You were the only one...

V: Liar! Slut! Whore! Deny that you let him have his way with you, him with his armbands and jackboots!

V: Well? Cat got your tongue? I though as much.

V: Very well. So you stand revealed at last. you are no longer my justice. You are his justice now. You have bedded another.

Justice: Sob! Choke! Wh-who is she, V? What is her name?

V: Her name is Anarchy. And she has taught me more as a mistress than you ever did! She has taught me that justice is meaningless without freedom. She is honest. She makes no promises and breaks none. Unlike you, Jezebel. I used to wonder why you could never look me in the eye. Now I know. So good bye, dear lady. I would be saddened by our parting even now, save that you are no longer the woman I once loved.

*KABOOM!*

-"V for Vendetta"

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