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Via [livejournal.com profile] constintina:

The origins of Spock as the "Other", the "Outsider" and the Vulcan salute:


As an agnosto-atheist, the whole idea of the essence of god thing doesn't really do it for me.
However, I come from a family of Kohanim (the Priest tribe of the Jewish people) and the one time a year I do attend shul (synagogue) it's to hear and sing "Kol Nidrei" and to see my father and brother bless the congregation.
The shul my family attends isn't Orthodox, it's very egalitarian(1) - women wear kippah and tallitot, etc.

Everything Leonard Nimoy said there, I find it rings so true to the way I perceive Judaism, though not the kind that I ever experienced, nor do I think will I ever, considering where I am from and the fact that one must believe.
Which, as I've mentioned, I do not.
Like Roddenberry, I'd consider myself a Humanist, despite the problematic history of that word, but I'm a bit too Jewish for that so I like this(2) more than anything else.

(1)Though not enough for daughters of Kohanim to be able to go up to the Bimah and bless the congregation.
(2)Humanistic Judaism

Date: 2009-06-05 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lishablog.livejournal.com
One of the things that I find so sad about Israel is the fact that few Israelis experience the kind of Judaism that is so very mainstream in the US and the UK (the two places where I have experienced significant time in Jewish communities besides Israel). Because of the tie between religion and government in Israel, I think, the religion in Israel is a matter of control and power rather than a matter of spirit, philosophy and practice.

I know many practicing Orthodox Jews in the US who do not believe in God, but that matters not. They practice, and study, and love Judaism for many other reasons. I know many Reform Jews who believe fervently in God but who think that the Judaism practiced by the Orthodox is messed up, mixed up, outdated, misguided, or whatever. Judaism is more than belief. Much more.

Date: 2009-06-06 11:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
Judaism in Israel is stunted because, as you say, there is no separation of religion and government and because of the need for stability in government, it is only a "certain kind" of Judaism that is considered "real".

I blame Ben-Gurion for that.

Regardless, Israel is a Zionist state, and thus needs to have a diaspora it can say isn't real Jewry, the "real" Jews are the pioneers living in Israel. Zionism hasn't updated itself in 60 years.

That's why when I look at Judaism, I try very hard not to look at it in it's Israeli form, as it is an intolerable and intolerant denomination.
Hence being an agnosto-atheist and pretty much anti-religion in my outlook on life - very likely were I to live a long while outside of Israel I'd find myself a Jewish community in which to participate seeing as I do have a cultural tie to that if not anything else.

Date: 2009-06-07 06:33 pm (UTC)
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I know many Reform Jews who believe fervently in God but who think that the Judaism practiced by the Orthodox is messed up, mixed up, outdated, misguided, or whatever.

That's me - at least on the surface. I tend to prefer the phrase progressive Judaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Judaism). My level of observance may change over time, but I remain committed to ideas and practices that expand and deepen our connection to God and each other.

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V and Justice

V: Ah, I was forgetting that we are not properly introduced. I do not have a name. You can call me V. Madam Justice...this is V. V... this is Madam Justice. hello, Madam Justice.

Justice: Good evening, V.

V: There. Now we know each other. Actually, I've been a fan of yours for quite some time. Oh, I know what you're thinking...

Justice: The poor boy has a crush on me...an adolescent fatuation.

V: I beg your pardon, Madam. It isn't like that at all. I've long admired you...albeit only from a distance. I used to stare at you from the streets below when I was a child. I'd say to my father, "Who is that lady?" And he'd say "That's Madam Justice." And I'd say "Isn't she pretty."

V: Please don't think it was merely physical. I know you're not that sort of girl. No, I loved you as a person. As an ideal.

Justice: What? V! For shame! You have betrayed me for some harlot, some vain and pouting hussy with painted lips and a knowing smile!

V: I, Madam? I beg to differ! It was your infidelity that drove me to her arms!

V: Ah-ha! That surprised you, didn't it? You thought I didn't know about your little fling. But I do. I know everything! Frankly, I wasn't surprised when I found out. You always did have an eye for a man in uniform.

Justice: Uniform? Why I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. It was always you, V. You were the only one...

V: Liar! Slut! Whore! Deny that you let him have his way with you, him with his armbands and jackboots!

V: Well? Cat got your tongue? I though as much.

V: Very well. So you stand revealed at last. you are no longer my justice. You are his justice now. You have bedded another.

Justice: Sob! Choke! Wh-who is she, V? What is her name?

V: Her name is Anarchy. And she has taught me more as a mistress than you ever did! She has taught me that justice is meaningless without freedom. She is honest. She makes no promises and breaks none. Unlike you, Jezebel. I used to wonder why you could never look me in the eye. Now I know. So good bye, dear lady. I would be saddened by our parting even now, save that you are no longer the woman I once loved.

*KABOOM!*

-"V for Vendetta"

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