"Old News" From Yesterday

[eumelia]

I didn't write about this yesterday because I was all about ME, which is sometimes what this LJ is for.

This is "old News" by now, but Sderot and Kibbutzim of the Western Negev were bombarded yesterday with over 50 Qassam Rockets.
50 Qassam Rockets.
At least one person died and several other have been critically injured, maimed and traumatized.
The retaliation and in these cases it always a retaliation, was the usual IDF and IAF maneuvers.

What I find most interesting is that in the International News sites, the retaliation was written about first, giving the obvious impression that that the Qassam rockets were launched in retaliation to the military action done by Israel.

Such. Utter. Bullshit.

I'm a big talker and I'm all for talking with Hamas, but when the complete and utter disregard they show towards their own people by launching rockets that are designed to hurt my people, because my people have the Big Guns and on TeVi, Big Guns look much worse than little rockets despite the damage wrought by both.

The ones who suffer the most are the civilians on both sides of the border. It doesn't matter if they're Israeli, Palestinian, Jewish, Muslim, Bedouin or Christian.

Hamas' goal isn't to liberate Palestine, it never was, it is to recreate the Caliphate and bring the Umma together and then go out on a Holy War against the West.
And like most of these kinds of groups (al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc.) they were created in order to fight the real enemies... the Communist or Marxist Identified groups - or in the case of the Taliban the Soviets themselves.

Old News? Ancient History?

Maybe, but it's certainly a way to see the interconnectedness of it all.
Until the USA decides that it no longer supports Nations that give money to Hamas and Hizbulla (and it's not just Iran, far from it) and that "spreading Democracy" is not the way to go, but co-operation and actual fucking communication; you can bet that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict will continue.

Comments

[gonzo21.livejournal.com]

The news report I saw about it made it clear that Israel was reacting to the 50 rockets that were fired, for what it's worth.

Ah, the USA and supporting terrorism. I could go on for a while about the sheer bloody two-faced nature of that, particularly with regard to the American funding of the IRA for fifty or sixty years.

[familydog.livejournal.com]

USA supports terrorism as it funds israeli armed forces, and ARE terrorists if you didn't get the memo (on iraq and global domination for instance)

[gonzo21.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure what your point is here, I did get the memo, because I was just talking about how American interests often put them in the place of supporting terrorist activities, such as all the money Sinn Fein raised for the IRA with their American fund-raising activities. (Which, actually, for all the talk about who solved the Irish Troubles, it was really Bill Clinton when he made an effort to stop Sinn Fein raising money in America, which essentially forced them and the IRA to the negotiating table and brought about a cessation to hostilities.)

I don't necessarily have a problem with the US funding and supporting terrorist activities, as all nations operate under terms of absolute self-interest, and will do whatever they think best for themselves. No nation is the 'good guy' in this respect. I think what annoys me most about the Americans is that they portray themselves as being the good guys all the time, when really they're just as mired in the sewer as the rest of us.

[familydog.livejournal.com]

right, it was kind of off-point and not commenting on anything you said.

[eumelia.livejournal.com]

America is arrogant, annoying and far too interested in trying to take over the world by dividing and conquering people in all kinds of different countries.

I tell you, if the shit isn't worked out until my oldest nephew has to be drafted into the IDF I really am going to go all Guy Fawkes on the Knesset (either metaphorically or literally, we'll see what's going to be more effective).

[familydog.livejournal.com]

wow.
"rockets that are designed to hurt my people"
who are "your people" may i ask? and what difrentiate them from "their people"?

international news says the kassams was a respond to IDF actions in gaza - they're right, not only in a direct way (idf was killing people constantly without respond fro the last two weeks, until the day before yesteday they killed some hammas VIP which they responded to) but also in an undirect way, as the intefada and the palestinian struggle IS A RESPOND to israel KILLING them.

only in the israeli media they pump the insane propaganda, seriously, i watched it yesterday.. IDF bombed the shit out of gaza last night in respond to the last day's rockets.. not only did they do it by night as it is impossible to see in film (while gaza is out of electricity!), while reporting this the reporter goes "and this of course is in respond to them shooting rockets at us the whole day today.. which resulted in this person getting killed, a father and a husband.." and so on, showing his picture for 2 minutes. are we showen with the palestinian victims of these bombings? ever? are we told how many children they had?

sorry. i've got plenty more to say about that, but maybe that's not the place.

[familydog.livejournal.com]

p.s

"The ones who suffer the most are the civilians on both sides of the border. It doesn't matter if they're Israeli, Palestinian, Jewish, Muslim, Bedouin or Christian"

it does matter, actually. just like the color of you skin or gender matters. some people get to be more screwed over then others. ignoring the privileges and oppressions and painting an equal-suffering false picture is not going to change the situation.

[eumelia.livejournal.com]

That wasn't what I was doing, and I agree that there are priviliges and biases in the suffering of people, just that they're civillians and all suffering.

Don't think for one minute that I think the people of Sderot suffer more than the people of Gaza. But the fact is that those in (relative) power (on each side) don't care about the suffering that goes on, on either side.

[eumelia.livejournal.com]

Of course it's the place, this can be a forum for debate and discussion.

What diffirinteates "my people" from "their people", nothing in my mind, humans are humans, in the eyes of Hamas and the Israeli government there is a huge difference, a big part of the problem.

I think you're under the impression that I'm looking at things in a one sided way and I don't think I am.
In the end it really makes no difference who started firing at who, that's a bit childish. In the end Israel has the greater responciibility because Israel is stronger, that doesn't nagate the responcibility of Hamas.

[eumelia.livejournal.com]

Let me reiterate, the difference is, that no matter how you look and no matter how arbitrary it is there are two nations at odds here.
I am Israeli and I sympathize and empathize with Palestinians.
And there is a difference between us.

And I put the blame, without any shame, both on Hamas and the Israeli government for what's going on in Gaza, Sderot and the kibbutzim of the western Negev.
Maybe that makes me a little more parochial, but I have no problem with that.

[familydog.livejournal.com]

i'de like to respond & a further discussion, and hopefully i'll get to it tomorrow, but if you don't hear in the next few days it's because i'm lacking internet access not anything else...

[eumelia.livejournal.com]

No problem.
Take care.