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A few days ago I was reading the blog of an entertaining graphic designer, she's a Palestinian Arab and mentions it probably as much I mention that I'm an Israeli Jew (meaning offhandedly and not always politically), which is cool. It's always good to remember that the blogosphere isn't different shades of White.
However, she wrote something that bothered me and I didn't comment, because my GDess the backlash it would have caused, and the grief it would have given both her and I wouldn't be worth it.
So I'm going to write my much longer, would be comment, here on my own little piece of the Internet.

Arabs like Jews, are part of the larger ethnic group known as Semitic.
In this little exercise in semantics someone (anyone) accusing Arabs being antisemitic would be saying that they are prejudiced against themselves.

This is beside the point, seeing as the term "Antisemitism" was coined in the 19th century when people realised one couldn't, in that post-Enlightenment era, accuse the Jews of murdering Christ as a reason to hate them. And so began the more racial aspect of Jew-hating.
Dictionary.com has this to say about Antisemitism:
-noun.
discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews.
[Origin: 1880–85]

-noun.
1. Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.
2. Discrimination against Jews.

1881, from Ger. Antisemitismus, first used by Wilhelm Marr in 1880, from anti- + Semite (q.v.). Not etymologically restricted to anti-Jewish theories, actions or policies, but almost always used in this sense. Those who object to the inaccuracy of the term might try H. Adler's Judaeophobia (1882).
(Emphasis theirs - and this is the first time I've come across the term Judaeophobia, which makes as much sense as Islamophobia >:/)

I get that as a member of an ethnic group which is Semitic in origin the term being used is irritating, but missing the point about the use of the term and trying to retcon it, is not, in my humble opinion, a valid way of saying "Arabs can't be prejudiced against themselves".

Jews, Arabs, Blacks, Whites, Christians, Muslims and every other ethnic group, race, religion, mixed or not can be, has been and will be prejudiced/racist/irrationally hostile towards someone who is different from Them.

Ignoring the fact that there are members of a Semitic group collectively (and mistakingly) known as Arabs hate Jews (for various reasons), and trying to explain that Antisemitism isn't just about the Jews, ain't gonna fly, because its completely ignoring the origin and history of the term and the meaning of the term as it is used in this day and age, seeing as there is a whole lot of anti-Jewish sentiment going around these days.

Yes, there's a lot of backlash towards Arabs and specifically Muslims, which I oppose whole heartedly, but I cannot stand when someone tries to co-opt and change the meaning of a word which is very specific in its use, just to suit their own sensibilities and views.

That's what I think about Antisemitism the word.

I think racism and racial prejudice are a base and vile kind of prejudice found in every society and that we have to try and eradicate it from our collective consciousness, since more often than not (and historically), racial prejudice (and sometimes atrocities) are directed towards those who are ethnically and racially closest to each other.

Should I prepare for my own backlash?
*hides* ;)

Date: 2007-11-20 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_yggdrasil/
Hello, found you via [livejournal.com profile] free_palestine and thought you were smart and fun to read, so here I am.

I agree fully with what you wrote, except for the part about expecting a backlash :) Interesting co-opt of the word she's using there ... not sure what she's trying to accomplish by screwing around with it. Linguistically she's correct but historically she's way off base.

Also, her assertion that a member of an ethnic group can't possibly hate itself, well, I have to disagree. I've seen misogynistic women, black people who hated black people ("phew! I'm lighter than you!") and right on down the line. Hard to fathom, but there it is.

Date: 2007-11-20 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
Haha, thanks!

Going to add you as well:

Date: 2007-11-20 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
Thanks!

About the backlash, I merely speak from experience when I commented on a different website about a similar subject, I got slammed, so I'd rather be in my space and talk about it, ya know what I mean.

Also, I totally agree about the self-hatred thing, I've seen far too much misogynous women no too.
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Date: 2007-11-20 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
The girl you described made me *flail* and o_O

That is achingly dumb. Sheesh, doesn't think ahead much, huh?

Date: 2007-11-20 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_yggdrasil/
I have never understood why people need to slam each other in a forum when they can just be, "Look, I disagree and here's why ..." I think it's because with the relative anonymity of the internet, people feel they can say anything without repercussions, things they'd NEVER say if they were speaking face to face with someone.

Also, true story: I had a really dumb classmate. I mean, achingly dumb. A girl who argued in a mock UN class that we (the US) should give nukes to North Korea because "we have them too so it's only fair". She argued that a woman's place is in the home and that of course men should be paid more in the workplace.

Because I'm paying the same tuition as my male colleagues just so I can get a job and work for less pay. Right.

Hard to believe people think less of the group they belong to!

Date: 2007-11-20 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
My reply to this comment, can be found above :)

Date: 2007-11-20 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aesiron.livejournal.com
You have the most awesome username ever.

Date: 2007-11-20 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_yggdrasil/
I have to say the same for you, and that icon. Hail Thor ^_^

Date: 2007-11-20 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aesiron.livejournal.com
Actually, would you mind if I friend you? Between the name, your interests list, and having the good taste to friend [livejournal.com profile] eumelia, my curiosity is piqued.

Date: 2007-11-20 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aesiron.livejournal.com
I have no idea what you mean. :)
Edited Date: 2007-11-20 07:53 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-11-21 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_yggdrasil/
Oh, I never mind when people friend me, go ahead. Though I'm friending you back for the same reasons you gave me :)

Date: 2007-11-20 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antongarou.livejournal.com
Actually, she isn't correct in the linguistic sense- in linguistics, especially field linguistics, the meaning of the word is derived from its daily use rather then from the definitions put down in dictionaries.These meanings aren't always literal, or even close to literal- metaphors like "crystal stream" are a good example.

Date: 2007-11-20 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_yggdrasil/
I didn't know that. Cool beans.

How would you describe her being correct? Just "technically"?

Date: 2007-11-20 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antongarou.livejournal.com
I would describe her being as "apparently correct according to formal semantics" or something similar.If I had any choice I wouldn't describe her as "correct" in this matter at all.

Date: 2007-11-21 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_yggdrasil/
Thanks for clarifying.

Date: 2007-11-21 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_yggdrasil/
And I'm curious, since you seem to have some experience in linguistics, can you recommend some good reading for someone who's interested in the field but hasn't had much exposure to it? I haven't a clue where to start.

Date: 2007-11-21 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antongarou.livejournal.com
Not atm, unfortunately.I was taught all my linguistics in frontal classes without mentions of textbooks, since I'm learning an intermediate level that *doesn't* have textbooks currently

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V and Justice

V: Ah, I was forgetting that we are not properly introduced. I do not have a name. You can call me V. Madam Justice...this is V. V... this is Madam Justice. hello, Madam Justice.

Justice: Good evening, V.

V: There. Now we know each other. Actually, I've been a fan of yours for quite some time. Oh, I know what you're thinking...

Justice: The poor boy has a crush on me...an adolescent fatuation.

V: I beg your pardon, Madam. It isn't like that at all. I've long admired you...albeit only from a distance. I used to stare at you from the streets below when I was a child. I'd say to my father, "Who is that lady?" And he'd say "That's Madam Justice." And I'd say "Isn't she pretty."

V: Please don't think it was merely physical. I know you're not that sort of girl. No, I loved you as a person. As an ideal.

Justice: What? V! For shame! You have betrayed me for some harlot, some vain and pouting hussy with painted lips and a knowing smile!

V: I, Madam? I beg to differ! It was your infidelity that drove me to her arms!

V: Ah-ha! That surprised you, didn't it? You thought I didn't know about your little fling. But I do. I know everything! Frankly, I wasn't surprised when I found out. You always did have an eye for a man in uniform.

Justice: Uniform? Why I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. It was always you, V. You were the only one...

V: Liar! Slut! Whore! Deny that you let him have his way with you, him with his armbands and jackboots!

V: Well? Cat got your tongue? I though as much.

V: Very well. So you stand revealed at last. you are no longer my justice. You are his justice now. You have bedded another.

Justice: Sob! Choke! Wh-who is she, V? What is her name?

V: Her name is Anarchy. And she has taught me more as a mistress than you ever did! She has taught me that justice is meaningless without freedom. She is honest. She makes no promises and breaks none. Unlike you, Jezebel. I used to wonder why you could never look me in the eye. Now I know. So good bye, dear lady. I would be saddened by our parting even now, save that you are no longer the woman I once loved.

*KABOOM!*

-"V for Vendetta"

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