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You see, I've never seen Christmas.
Never.
Not ever.

Why? Well, I don't live in a country in which it is celebrated at large and I'm not Christian so I wouldn't celebrate in small.
Also, December is an awful time for traveling to a cold place!

And in addition, there's XKCD:


At least the days are getting longer again. I'm sick of the Dark! I can't wait for the arbitrary date to go by all ready!

Date: 2009-12-23 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/vinyl__/
haha i wouldn't even necessarily say that most people who celebrate it in the states are christian, either.

Date: 2009-12-23 10:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caledonius72.livejournal.com
I'm in the throes of xmas, and I'm a buddhist! My family aren't and they all love the brouhaha surrounding it. I wouldn't say they were christian either.

xkcd never fails!

Date: 2009-12-23 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
That one cracked me up, too!

It's fun being in Israel in December if you grew up Jewish in a country where everyone is Christian. In fact, it's fun being in Israel in September, when everyone in the bank and the post office casually wishes you happy new year, in the spring when everyone knows it's Passover--it's just fun to suddenly be in the majority when you've always had to explain, explain, explain.

Date: 2009-12-23 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com
I'm not Christian either, and my family aren't at all. But we still always do Christmas too.

Besides, Christmas is a good pagan festival anyway. :)

Date: 2009-12-23 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
No doubt, but because culturally speaking it's based on Christianity - I think it's all right to say so.

Date: 2009-12-23 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
So it's a cultural thing.

I have no doubt about that, possibly any ecclesiastical point that remains in xmas remains in the devout and the rest is a Capitalist scheme to get your money?

Okay, that came out a wee bit harsher than intended :P

Re: xkcd never fails!

Date: 2009-12-23 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
I can see that.

Though I am looking forward to living somewhere else for a while and seeing how different it is and being all foreign :)

Date: 2009-12-23 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
But the Solstice was Yesterday!

*looks at the date*

The day before even. Though the Pagan symbolism works well, I'll grant you :)

Date: 2009-12-23 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com
Well yeah, but there were several big pagan festivities around this time of year, give or take a few days. I think the early Christians just plonked Christmas down in the middle of them and said 'THIS IS OURS NOW!'

In that time honoured way that early christians did about so many things.

I mean, there's hardly a single early church in the UK that isn't plonked down on top of an earlier pagan ritual center.

Date: 2009-12-23 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caledonius72.livejournal.com
a wee bit harsh but so very true...

some just use it as an excuse to overindulge.

i like the getting together of loved ones and sharing a meal aspect. The gifts I could do without. I've got enough stuff.
Edited Date: 2009-12-23 12:38 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-12-23 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
i like the getting together of loved ones and sharing a meal aspect. The gifts I could do without. I've got enough stuff.

Oh yeah, I'm with you there. We have that twice a year... or practically every Friday night, depending on your definition of "getting together and sharing a meal"

Date: 2009-12-23 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hemlock-sholes.livejournal.com
On the solstice we make a sacrifice to the God/s so that they will make the days longer again.

By the 25th, we know that the celebration/sacrifice which occurred on the Solstice worked and now the God/s are happy.

A permanent winter has been averted - yet again.

Lets celebrate!

Date: 2009-12-23 03:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sabotabby
Yes, [livejournal.com profile] eumelia, there is a Santa Claus.

(What, no one else said it?)

I'm a Jewish atheist anti-capitalist and this holiday appeals to me not in the least.

Date: 2009-12-23 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
I thought they called him Sandy Claws MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Date: 2009-12-23 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayalanetzer.livejournal.com
Naa, I've seen Christmas.
Our hollidays are better.

Date: 2009-12-23 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aesiron.livejournal.com
Totally atheist. Christmas is my favorite holiday.

Date: 2009-12-23 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
I say we eat!

Date: 2009-12-23 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
Prezzies? :P

Date: 2009-12-23 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
And eat!

Date: 2009-12-24 02:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitter-moss.livejournal.com
Culturally speaking it's based on Yule and Saturnalia ;) (thought i know you already know this).

I do hate it being shoved down my throat. I wish we'd either go secular or celebrate EVERYTHING. Seems only fair.

Date: 2009-12-24 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitter-moss.livejournal.com
Mine is Halloween. Biiig surprise rite? ;P

Date: 2009-12-24 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
Ahahahahahaha!

Culturally speaking it's based on people noticing it's gets lighter after a few days in late December!
:P

Date: 2009-12-24 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
I never would have guessed that one, Kat.
Seriously, I'm shocked, absolutely flabbergasted!

Date: 2009-12-24 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitter-moss.livejournal.com
Haha yup! ;)

Date: 2009-12-24 08:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
Bah! My grammar! *weeps* I have apostrophes where they shouldn't be and tense fuckery.

Damn it!

Date: 2009-12-24 08:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitter-moss.livejournal.com
I care not for grammar (and even if i did, m.e makes such things ie. thinking of any kind, exceedingly difficult ;p), and i know you're teh smarts, so it doesn't make you look empty in the brain pan, so no worries ;).

Re: xkcd never fails!

Date: 2009-12-24 08:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitter-moss.livejournal.com
I want to have a White Christmas, and another year live somewhere where there is no big deal over Xmas. It would be a welcome relief from the glitz and consumerism.

Date: 2009-12-25 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitter-moss.livejournal.com
Oh and Mum and i have decided on a scheme so you can experience Xmas. We're going to do a swap! As I hate it being forced on me and thus would enjoy experiencing your traditions with your family, and you can come here and be the enthusiastic Xmas daughter Mum has always wanted. I shall begin the negotiations with the tv networks in the new year, so we can get all the fun captured, and the flights paid for. Savvy?

Date: 2009-12-25 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
OMG Dude!
I can't tell if you're serious or not :P

But either way that is an awesome idea and would totally be willing to be on a reality show in order to see Australia :D

I dunno what you'd be able to do here, because Hannukah doesn't actually coincide with Xmas every year - but there'd be a huge Friday night supper for you, for sure!

Date: 2009-12-25 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitter-moss.livejournal.com
I semi am (health issues aside, it's totally something i'd do actually), but i don't know that Mum would really go for it ;).

Haha yes, sacrifices, sacrifices ;).

Hey, just being somewhere else and avoiding Xmas sounds good enough to me! Is Hannukah celebrated in relation to the moon or something natural, like Easter then (hello Pagan traditions :P)?

Date: 2009-12-25 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com
The Hebrew calender is based on both solar and lunar cycles, which is why our holidays always coincide with the moon and gerenally speaking begin at Sundown - hence Friday night being the beginning of Shabbat (the holy day of rest) and not at sunrise.

Hannukah is definitely the Winter holiday, in which we light candles over the eight darkest days of the year and eat oil rich food with a very high calorie count. It's not a religious holiday as such as it's not one of the High Holidays mentioned in the Torah, but it is seasonal like the rest of them and it commemorates two things: 1) the Maccabee Rebellion against the Hellenic empire that wanted to desecrate the temple by putting statues of deities in it (Judaism forbids representation of god - you cannot contain the divine and all that) and against the Hellenising Jews who were seen as betraying their heritage for the Hellenists (I like viewing the holiday as an opposition of Imperialism :P). And 2) and the miracle of oil. The temple had a Menorah - sacred candelabrum that was used in ceremonies before the Temple was destroyed by the Romans - which had only enough oil for one night, but low and behold a miracle happened and while scouts were out to get more oil that one portion was enough for eight nights during the darkest time of the year.

It's really not the most important holiday on the Jewish calender, but it's another one of those Winter festivals and you get to have food and be with family.

Date: 2009-12-26 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hemlock-sholes.livejournal.com
How about this (for Americans):

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great (not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country or is the only "AMERICA" in the western hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical disability, religious faith, choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of the wishee.

Legal Disclaimer: By accepting this agreement, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher.

This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.

Sincerely,

(Name withheld for legal, social and cultural considerations.)

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V and Justice

V: Ah, I was forgetting that we are not properly introduced. I do not have a name. You can call me V. Madam Justice...this is V. V... this is Madam Justice. hello, Madam Justice.

Justice: Good evening, V.

V: There. Now we know each other. Actually, I've been a fan of yours for quite some time. Oh, I know what you're thinking...

Justice: The poor boy has a crush on me...an adolescent fatuation.

V: I beg your pardon, Madam. It isn't like that at all. I've long admired you...albeit only from a distance. I used to stare at you from the streets below when I was a child. I'd say to my father, "Who is that lady?" And he'd say "That's Madam Justice." And I'd say "Isn't she pretty."

V: Please don't think it was merely physical. I know you're not that sort of girl. No, I loved you as a person. As an ideal.

Justice: What? V! For shame! You have betrayed me for some harlot, some vain and pouting hussy with painted lips and a knowing smile!

V: I, Madam? I beg to differ! It was your infidelity that drove me to her arms!

V: Ah-ha! That surprised you, didn't it? You thought I didn't know about your little fling. But I do. I know everything! Frankly, I wasn't surprised when I found out. You always did have an eye for a man in uniform.

Justice: Uniform? Why I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. It was always you, V. You were the only one...

V: Liar! Slut! Whore! Deny that you let him have his way with you, him with his armbands and jackboots!

V: Well? Cat got your tongue? I though as much.

V: Very well. So you stand revealed at last. you are no longer my justice. You are his justice now. You have bedded another.

Justice: Sob! Choke! Wh-who is she, V? What is her name?

V: Her name is Anarchy. And she has taught me more as a mistress than you ever did! She has taught me that justice is meaningless without freedom. She is honest. She makes no promises and breaks none. Unlike you, Jezebel. I used to wonder why you could never look me in the eye. Now I know. So good bye, dear lady. I would be saddened by our parting even now, save that you are no longer the woman I once loved.

*KABOOM!*

-"V for Vendetta"

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