"You can't touch me there"
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rm I discovered the comm kinkfreezone and friends... for a fanfic comm that allows high ratings on the fics and includes Slash, Het and Gen; I have never in my whole on-line life seen a more sex-negative fic community.
Wanting to have a community and specific requirements on fic is fine, fun and dandy. Honestly, it is. Wanting to exclude certain criteria that you and others would rather not read, very fine, your prerogative.
That's not the issue.
The issue is with language and the so-called binary of Vanilla and Kink.
For a more lighthearted, yet not, commentary on the list of kinks NOT permitted you can read thingswithwings' entry here. The comments are hilarious.
But oh, where to start... hmm, possibly from the most offensive one:
Gender themes (gender confusion; sex changes; genderfucks; hermaphrodites; cross-dressing or other forms of genderbending; drag queens and transvestites; androgyny; forced feminization; butch/femme; tomboys).
Ya know, these are actual honest to god actual identities in the real world. The way this is worded, the explicit implication is that the very existence of these, ontologically speaking, in a fic is a kink. Rather than, for example, a person with a specific gender identity. Butch and Femme, are gender identities. Androgyny is also an identity. A sex change is something people do in order to live their lives.
You want to exclude "chicks with dicks" and "guys with pussies", that's fine. Don't start saying the actual identity is a fucking fetish.
Orientation issues (confusion; discovery and coming out; self-hatred; two-beer queers; homosexual panic).
Now how to you explain two people who are explicitly straight in canon falling for each other, I ask?
How the hell, is this a kink? I demand an explanation!
Situational homosexuality.
Bwahahahahahaha! I'm sorry, what? they have Homosocial Environments as well and I'm genuinely baffled by this. How is this a kink? This is a PLOT for a "Plot? What Plot" fic... it can even be, ya know, actual circumstances.
Power issues (inequities in beauty, rank, or class; power games; BDSM; power reversals; sheikhs, sultans, princes, and other royal figures; teacher/student pairings; magical powers; abuse of power; blackmail; romantic slavery; liege/lord pairings; issues of respect; sexual scenarios such as a dominant character giving his partner to others to use, or a character kneeling beneath a desk and blowing someone who's on the phone).
There goes every single fandom that has a team, ranks, people of different genders, race and nationalities.
*Thumbs up*
Religion (sin; faith and lack of faith; priests, monks, nuns, etc; shamans; biblical characters; angels and demons; gods and goddesses; saints; monastic or convent culture).
Because religious people do not include their lives into their sex lives.
Predator/prey pairings.
There goes Buffy fandom.
Striptease.
Don't look while I get naked under the covers! No peeking! That's oh-so kinky!
Voice fetishization (cracking or broken; husky, low, throaty; purring; accents; whispering close to someone's ear).
Fucking hell! Involuntary reaction is not a kink. No, really. This is possibly the most absurd (not offensive, I've listed things I found particularly offensive) criterion on this list.
That whole list needs a serious language editor, a workshop in sex-positivism and just a little shake-up when it comes to Vanilla/Kink binary - here's a secret... it's NOT!).
Enjoy mocking the whole thing.
Edited to Add: Amazing what going to bed will do.
My comment in now deleted, as are all the other critical comments made on the post - I restrained myself a lot and wanted to be respectful, I may have failed a tad.
Here's my comment for keeps:
Here is the Mod's reply:
For serious.
The post itself has been updated, because you know, instead of trying to make the comm a little more inclusive - let's just be all the more offensive and delete the things I dun like!
How dare people get offended and say something about it! Sheesh!
rm I discovered the comm kinkfreezone and friends... for a fanfic comm that allows high ratings on the fics and includes Slash, Het and Gen; I have never in my whole on-line life seen a more sex-negative fic community.Wanting to have a community and specific requirements on fic is fine, fun and dandy. Honestly, it is. Wanting to exclude certain criteria that you and others would rather not read, very fine, your prerogative.
That's not the issue.
The issue is with language and the so-called binary of Vanilla and Kink.
For a more lighthearted, yet not, commentary on the list of kinks NOT permitted you can read thingswithwings' entry here. The comments are hilarious.
But oh, where to start... hmm, possibly from the most offensive one:
Gender themes (gender confusion; sex changes; genderfucks; hermaphrodites; cross-dressing or other forms of genderbending; drag queens and transvestites; androgyny; forced feminization; butch/femme; tomboys).
Ya know, these are actual honest to god actual identities in the real world. The way this is worded, the explicit implication is that the very existence of these, ontologically speaking, in a fic is a kink. Rather than, for example, a person with a specific gender identity. Butch and Femme, are gender identities. Androgyny is also an identity. A sex change is something people do in order to live their lives.
You want to exclude "chicks with dicks" and "guys with pussies", that's fine. Don't start saying the actual identity is a fucking fetish.
Orientation issues (confusion; discovery and coming out; self-hatred; two-beer queers; homosexual panic).
Now how to you explain two people who are explicitly straight in canon falling for each other, I ask?
How the hell, is this a kink? I demand an explanation!
Situational homosexuality.
Bwahahahahahaha! I'm sorry, what? they have Homosocial Environments as well and I'm genuinely baffled by this. How is this a kink? This is a PLOT for a "Plot? What Plot" fic... it can even be, ya know, actual circumstances.
Power issues (inequities in beauty, rank, or class; power games; BDSM; power reversals; sheikhs, sultans, princes, and other royal figures; teacher/student pairings; magical powers; abuse of power; blackmail; romantic slavery; liege/lord pairings; issues of respect; sexual scenarios such as a dominant character giving his partner to others to use, or a character kneeling beneath a desk and blowing someone who's on the phone).
There goes every single fandom that has a team, ranks, people of different genders, race and nationalities.
*Thumbs up*
Religion (sin; faith and lack of faith; priests, monks, nuns, etc; shamans; biblical characters; angels and demons; gods and goddesses; saints; monastic or convent culture).
Because religious people do not include their lives into their sex lives.
Predator/prey pairings.
There goes Buffy fandom.
Striptease.
Don't look while I get naked under the covers! No peeking! That's oh-so kinky!
Voice fetishization (cracking or broken; husky, low, throaty; purring; accents; whispering close to someone's ear).
Fucking hell! Involuntary reaction is not a kink. No, really. This is possibly the most absurd (not offensive, I've listed things I found particularly offensive) criterion on this list.
That whole list needs a serious language editor, a workshop in sex-positivism and just a little shake-up when it comes to Vanilla/Kink binary - here's a secret... it's NOT!).
Enjoy mocking the whole thing.
Edited to Add: Amazing what going to bed will do.
My comment in now deleted, as are all the other critical comments made on the post - I restrained myself a lot and wanted to be respectful, I may have failed a tad.
Here's my comment for keeps:
This list has extremely problematic and prejudicial language.
Perhaps if you edited it, it would read differently, but as it stands, this is offensive to a whole slew of people who you included as a kink.
Some of these aren't even kinks but literary tropes!
Trope=/=Kink, please learn the difference.
Also, including involuntary bodily reactions? Please, get a clue - also the inclusion of "accents", "uncircumcised penises", "homosocial environmental", "nautical themes", "exoticism" and a big portion of "gender themes" just to name a few is downright, and here are heavy words, racist, xenophobic and over-all queerphobic in general.
Fetishising Vanilla is also a kink, you know.
As I said, get a clue.
I understand and respect the want of specific kind of fic, but that toes a line that isn't just about criteria... this is exclusionary in the extreme.
Here is the Mod's reply:
WOW am I getting sick of repeating myself. Had you actually READ the damn post you would see RIGHT AT THE TOP!!! that it is, in fact, a list of KINKS, TROPES AND CLICHES from fandom!
You can go GET A CLUE sweetheart and get the fuck out of my community.
For serious.
The post itself has been updated, because you know, instead of trying to make the comm a little more inclusive - let's just be all the more offensive and delete the things I dun like!
How dare people get offended and say something about it! Sheesh!
