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[eumelia]

*Claps Enthusiastically*

Look! See here!

There's a New US Plan calling for a Palestinian State.

A demilitarised state.

Oh, bravo! Well done! That's the ticket, because nothing says autonomy like a double standard (no, Israel will not be giving up it's planes, tanks, M-16's, cluster bombs or any other bomb).

I'm feeling the fair play here. The impression of justice and political self-actualisation.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and U.S. President Barack Obama will discuss on Tuesday a new initiative which would see a demilitarized Palestinian state set within amended 1967 borders and Jerusalem as its shared capital with Israel, according to the London-based Al-Quds al-Arabi.

The initiative, which was reportedly raised by past U.S. president Jimmy Carter, former secretary of state James Baker and former national security adviser Brent Scowcroft, would also have Palestinians concede on their demand for the right of return, in exchange for compensation.

Oh, did I not mention that this was the Egyptian government presuming to speak for the Palestinian Authority.
Ostensibly reiterating Israeli policy.

Yeah.

This is going to end well.

Comments

[thecityofdis.livejournal.com]

What. This is actually a step backward from where we were during the Bush Administration!

And giving up the right of return is stupid - if a Palestinian state is going to be created, a right of return within the new state's territorial borders would not threaten Israeli demography. What gives??

[http://users.livejournal.com/_yggdrasil/]

The first three sentences of your post had me wildly excited, dammit.

[eumelia.livejournal.com]

I don't actually think this will follow through, but that this is the line of thinking going on is driving me crazy.

And for reals, dude! Make up your minds! Either Palestine is to be an independent state with all the trappings of a modern state (including it's own defense forces and immigration laws) or it will continue to be a Bantustan.

Fer fucksake.

[eumelia.livejournal.com]

Sarcasm... it can be misleading.

Woe.

P.S. The icon is not to be taken as an offence to you, but to... the article... I guess.

[thecityofdis.livejournal.com]

I think there's a chance it may follow through. These are the same terms that Bibi discussed openly - and while I trust the man about as far as I could throw him, I acknowledge (1) the improbability of him endorsing the idea in the first place and (2) the symmetry between his platform and the new US platform as the sign that there may be motion on this in the next few years.

What, seriously?

[http://users.livejournal.com/_lux_aeterna_1/]

First, they're not talking about the right to return to the new palestinian country, but back to Israel.
And, dudes, in my book you can either fight to get your own country - and stay the hell out of mine, or you demand the right to return to Israel and live where your families once(?) lived as equal members, without said state of Israel giving part of it's not so large land to give you a state of your own. Not to mention giving it the right to start it's own army right next door. And this is about what we're willing to GIVE, have no doubt. I am all for peace myself, but I am not having a new palestinian state starting right next door and being ok with it having it's own army. Why would they need one? to fight us.
NO WAY am I giving them more guns, OR the right of return - and I'm about as left-winged as the avarage israely gets.

[roga.livejournal.com]

Wait, a demilitarized zone... why does that sound familiar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles)...

Re: What, seriously?

[eumelia.livejournal.com]

you demand the right to return to Israel and live where your families once(?) lived as equal members, without said state of Israel giving part of it's not so large land to give you a state of your own.
Perhaps we should make up our minds whether that part is ours or not... if it isn't ours, then it's theirs and there's no giving or taking. If it's ours then the Palestinians living there should have been given the same rights and duties as any other Palestinian living in Israel.
This is, as you know, not the case.

The right of return paranoia is played up because of the demography panic that we're incapable of escaping. Our doors are open to every Jew (who can prove they're a Jew) if they want... not that many want. I can only assume the same about the Palestinian diaspora.

As for the idea of a demilitarised zone; #1 check out the comment below and #2 frankly, in our neighbourhood a country without an army is suicidal. Either Palestine is to be an independent state in the Middle East, or we (and the US) continue to call the shots and continue the Occupation in some form.

[eumelia.livejournal.com]

Nail on the head that is.

[brewsternorth.livejournal.com]

Me, I thought first of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone), which isn't much more encouraging.

And yeah, I don't see a "demilitarized state" as being sovereign in the least. Gah. Two-state solution: doin it rong. At least they *are* talking about a two-state solution, I suppose, which is a change, but... no.

Re: What, seriously?

[ninboydean.livejournal.com]

Yeah, they'll probably need an army to "fight you" when your nation invades, as has been an historical problem for them. Don't you think the peace process more calls for the aggressor(Israel) to disband their own army, just as Japan and Germany had to?

Re: What, seriously?

[andreawashere.livejournal.com]

Um, whose country was it?

It't time the US stopped protecting a country that has been violating human rights in the most atrocious ways for years now.

Palestinians have the right to have their own country, and their own army as well to keep Israel from bombing their schools and hospitals.

I've talked to so-called left-winged Israeli's, and luckily some of you do recognise the problem for what it is. Unluckily, your government shuts them up quite effectively.

Re: What, seriously?

[andreawashere.livejournal.com]

"Yeah, they'll probably need an army to "fight you" when your nation invades, as has been an historical problem for them. Don't you think the peace process more calls for the aggressor(Israel) to disband their own army, just as Japan and Germany had to?"

Amen to that. It's funny how history always repeats itself, how the oppressed become the agressors. And after decades of pampering the newbie agressors, it's time to give the victims a chance of living in luxury in other people's homes.

I'm serious, I'm sick to my stomach when I watch another Palestinian family forced to leave their house.

Your logic is flawed.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_lux_aeterna_1/]

Germany and Japan were not forced to give up their armies because they were the aggressors, oh no.
It is because they LOST THE FUCKING WAR.

If all the Arab countries around us were to start an all-out war with Israel and WIN, win with enough power to wipe us all out and still for some reason chose not to do so (which is, for some of them, the right-out narrative), then they can dictate whatever surrender conditions they want.
While this may be the end some of you might like to see, I for one am against it.