Let's Talk About the Real Problem...
Jun. 1st, 2010 07:29 pmThe siege on Gaza.
Israeli/American-Jewish blogger Bradley Burston wrote right after the Free Gaza Flotilla Disaster that:
Not a completely analogous comparison, but it's palpable for the reason that everyone agrees that Vietnam was a war done wrong and perpetrated for the wrong reasons.
It was also a war, the US ultimately lost.
Israel isn't at war with Gaza, nor the West Bank. Israel is a warden.
The flotilla's aim was not only to break the siege (all the ships had something like 10,000 tonnes of food, medical supplies, clothes, toys, etc.) but to put a spotlight on the injustice of the circumstances surrounding the siege.
At this point, no one is talking about that. What is being spoken about is the disaster that cost lives and wounded many.
I don't have all the facts. No one has.
I'll tell you what I do know, even if the activists reacted with violence, the reaction is still done in self-defence. When you are boarded via war-vessels, helicopters by Commando soldiers of one the most notorious platoons in Israel (Shayete 13) you will grab what is at hand and defend yourself.
The IDF stopped the flotilla, 65km off-shore (that's international waters) and took control of the situation, they lost control. That doesn't make it a "lynch" as many are calling it.
Yesterday there was talk of the fact that the ships were smuggling weapons.
These are the weapons found on board: ( cut for size )
What do you see?
I see kitchen appliances, rope, rods, keffiyas, rope cutters, screwdrivers, pliers, wrenches, anything used as a murder weapon in a game of Cluedo, am I right?
That seems pretty ad hoc to me. Where exactly are these "smuggled weapons"? Perhaps sharing a bunker with Iraq's WMD's.
Regardless, the soldiers were obviously surprised and they were wounded and I'm sorry for that. I don't think soldiers should be put in positions in which they are forced to fight civilians.
They very much felt threatened:
The activists on board have this to say:
Who are you going to believe?
What I see here, form the scant data we do have, is an already illegal military operation gone very badly with a huge amount of casualties coming from those who felt the need to defend themselves.
Ultimately, looking at the balance of powers, I think it's quite clear who is at fault here.
But that's just my opinion as a loony leftist self-hating Jew, right?
Israeli/American-Jewish blogger Bradley Burston wrote right after the Free Gaza Flotilla Disaster that:
In going to war in Gaza in late 2008, Israeli military and political leaders hoped to teach Hamas a lesson. They succeeded. Hamas learned that the best way to fight Israel is to let Israel do what it has begun to do naturally: bluster, blunder, stonewall, and fume.
Hamas, and no less, Iran and Hezbollah, learned early on that Israel's own embargo against Hamas-ruled Gaza was the most sophisticated and powerful weapon they could have deployed against the Jewish state.
Here in Israel, we have still yet to learn the lesson: We are no longer defending Israel. We are now defending the siege. The siege itself is becoming Israel's Vietnam.
Not a completely analogous comparison, but it's palpable for the reason that everyone agrees that Vietnam was a war done wrong and perpetrated for the wrong reasons.
It was also a war, the US ultimately lost.
Israel isn't at war with Gaza, nor the West Bank. Israel is a warden.
The flotilla's aim was not only to break the siege (all the ships had something like 10,000 tonnes of food, medical supplies, clothes, toys, etc.) but to put a spotlight on the injustice of the circumstances surrounding the siege.
At this point, no one is talking about that. What is being spoken about is the disaster that cost lives and wounded many.
I don't have all the facts. No one has.
I'll tell you what I do know, even if the activists reacted with violence, the reaction is still done in self-defence. When you are boarded via war-vessels, helicopters by Commando soldiers of one the most notorious platoons in Israel (Shayete 13) you will grab what is at hand and defend yourself.
The IDF stopped the flotilla, 65km off-shore (that's international waters) and took control of the situation, they lost control. That doesn't make it a "lynch" as many are calling it.
Yesterday there was talk of the fact that the ships were smuggling weapons.
These are the weapons found on board: ( cut for size )
What do you see?
I see kitchen appliances, rope, rods, keffiyas, rope cutters, screwdrivers, pliers, wrenches, anything used as a murder weapon in a game of Cluedo, am I right?
That seems pretty ad hoc to me. Where exactly are these "smuggled weapons"? Perhaps sharing a bunker with Iraq's WMD's.
Regardless, the soldiers were obviously surprised and they were wounded and I'm sorry for that. I don't think soldiers should be put in positions in which they are forced to fight civilians.
They very much felt threatened:
'We fired because we were attacked', says Israeli captain in Gaza flotilla op.Emphasis mine.
[...]
"We knew there would be resistance, but not at such a strong level," said Captain R., who led one of the teams and was wounded in the mission. "Every [activist] that approached us wanted to kill us."
[..]
The commandos had been well-prepared for the mission, said the captain, and had taken into account that the activists might respond with violence. "We thought it would be passive resistance, maybe verbal, but not at such strength," he said.
The activists on board have this to say:
Turkish activist Nilufer Cetin, who had hidden with her baby in her cabin's bathroom aboard the Mavi Marmara, told reporters she believed there were 11 dead.Emphasis mine.
”The ship turned into a lake of blood," Cetin told reporters in Istanbul, having returned after Israeli officials warned that jail would be too harsh for her child.
"We were aware of the possible danger in joining the trip," she said.
[...]
She said Israeli vessels harassed the flotilla for two hours starting around 10 p.m. Sunday, and returned at around 4 a.m. Monday, fired warning shots and told the ships to turn back.
When the Mavi Marmara continued on its course the harassment turned into an attack.
"They used smoke bombs followed by gas canisters. They started to descend onto the ship with helicopters," she said, calling the clashes that then erupted "extremely bad and brutal."
[...]
"Suddenly from everywhere we saw inflatables coming at us, and within seconds fully equipped commandos came up on the boat," said Greek activist Dimitris Gielalis, who had been aboard the Sfendoni. He was among six Greeks returned home Tuesday.
"They came up and used plastic bullets, we had beatings, we had electric shocks, any method we can think of, they used," he said.
He said the boat's captain was beaten for refusing to leave the wheel, and had sustained non-life-threatening injuries, while a cameraman filming the raid was hit with a rifle butt in the eye, he said.
"Of course we weren't prepared for a situation of war.," he added.
Who are you going to believe?
What I see here, form the scant data we do have, is an already illegal military operation gone very badly with a huge amount of casualties coming from those who felt the need to defend themselves.
Ultimately, looking at the balance of powers, I think it's quite clear who is at fault here.
But that's just my opinion as a loony leftist self-hating Jew, right?