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Eumelia ([personal profile] eumelia) wrote2010-01-18 01:06 am

See Me Be Sentimental

I was looking at [livejournal.com profile] fandomsecrets and someone made a secret, probably in reaction to the renewed bruhaha in Torchwood Fandom.

I got really chocked up reading it.

It's also really pretty:



Clicking on the pic will take you to the thread on F!S.

As a good friend said to me when I showed 'em this secret:
It's amazing how people don't realize that by freaking out about CoE/Ianto they're actually policing queerness, not "championing" it.

All I can say to that is "YES".

[identity profile] svollga.livejournal.com 2010-01-18 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
I saw this scene as Ianto saying that he loves only one person at a time, whatever the gender.
And also, that he knows it's hard to explain to his family because it's different from whatever they know.

But I can fully understand the person who made this secret, too.

I try to keep away from the renewed brihaha over RTD and CoE and homophobia (as well as the bruhaha over whether women can write m/m, which ignores the existence of queer women and queer people with female body so openly my teeth hurt). I've read several posts on both sides, and they all left me sad and nauseous.

CoE can be seen as the triumph of queer visibility. CoE can be seen as a repetition of usual gay tropes. Bith views aren't inherent - they are in an eye of the beholder.

[identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com 2010-01-18 08:28 am (UTC)(link)
I have been following the debates (obviously) and I'll probably write my own thing on the slash-m/m thing - I've already done my bit for TW Fandom.

I also think Ianto is specific-person-sexual, I mean his devotion to Lisa would also exemplify his attitude, no?

[identity profile] svollga.livejournal.com 2010-01-18 09:32 am (UTC)(link)
I'll probably write my own thing on the slash-m/m thing
Waiting for it! :)

Ianto is specific-person-sexual
Yes, that's what I meant in the first line. His devotion to Jack mirrors his devotion to Lisa. (It makes me a bit sad about Ianto and his ideas of self-worth, which seem to me rather law, but it makes me only more interesting a character.)