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Eumelia ([personal profile] eumelia) wrote2008-01-15 10:33 pm

It's never going to end

Over the past 12 hours there has been huge amounts of fighting in Gaza with many (26 counted at this time) Qasam rickets landing in Sderot and the kibbutzim around the Gaza strip.

In Israel; 4 people in Sderot were wounded (not including those suffering from shock and anxiety), a Grad rocket landed in southern Ashkelon and one Kibbutz volunteer was shot by a Palestinian sniper.

In Gaza; at the moment it is estimated that 18 people have died (13 of them militants and one of them Hussam al-Zahar, the son of Senior Hamas member Mahmoud al-Zahar).

Everything is one big "magic circle".
You shoot us, we shoot you!
You hurt our towns, we'll demolish yours.
You shut off our electricity, we'll shut of yours.

Motherfuck.

And where is the Israeli PM you ask?
Looking for his thumb which is stuck somewhere up his ass!
Abu-Mazzen? I've never seen such a weak leader... anywhere!!!

What to know more about it, without my vitriol, but certainly biased and sided?
Here: Rocket barrage on Sderot hurts four, kibbutz volunteer killed by Hamas sniper, IDF kills 19 Palestinians in raids on Gaza Strip, Hamas assumes responsibility for Qassam attacks for first time in months.

I can assure you that by going to BBC, CNN, Al-Jazerra etc. You will find more information from various different points of view.

[identity profile] roga.livejournal.com 2008-01-15 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Fuckety fuck fuck fuck.

And, you know, I seriously have no clue what to do about Sderot. I don't even have any hypothetical suggestions. I always hesitate to form an opinion on matters military because I never feel like I have all the necessary intelligence (which I still don't), and the Sderot issue - and Gaza - it's fucking awful, but I have no clue what should be done.

[identity profile] antongarou.livejournal.com 2008-01-15 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem is that the only way it would stop is if both sides will make the building of trust by the other side a priority:I *know* there are a lot of Israelis, probably an overwhelming majority of us, who would support removing all the settlements and retreating from the West Bank if there was a feeling we could trust the Palestinians to really give us peace and not thumb their noses and continue doing stuff.

Personally I feel we're at the stage of "there's nobody to talk to", not because the Palestinian in the street doesn't want peace- most of them probably want it worse then the average Israeli, but because there is no central leadership that our leadership can talk to and can enforce whatever decisions it makes.

[identity profile] roga.livejournal.com 2008-01-16 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
Personally I feel we're at the stage of "there's nobody to talk to", not because the Palestinian in the street doesn't want peace- most of them probably want it worse then the average Israeli, but because there is no central leadership that our leadership can talk to and can enforce whatever decisions it makes.

Exactly. So the people in Sderot and all of Otef Aza are suffering daily - really, they're living in a very literal war zone - and it's... I mean, what are we supposed to do? No, it's not possible to shield the entire strip of land and city. And there's no one to talk to on the other side. So it's basically either turning a blind eye which is betraying the residents of Sderot, or voicing threats and not following through on them, or voicing threats and actually following through on them, which leads to hurting population, to the IDF drowning in a Gaza swamp all over again, and to no solutions whatsoever. It's so frustrating, and the State, I feel, is helpless. There's not one move it can make that I would wholeheartedly support.

[identity profile] daemonfall.livejournal.com 2008-01-16 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
As a fact, there IS a solution to terrorism, at least at the Gaza strip, but it's not a very humanitarian one. The assassination thing is something that works. Cutting all the hydra-heads will finally lead the people shooting the rockets to stop (since most of them are intelligent people, not wanting to die over their causes) but then again, it's not very nice to kill innocents just to save innocents.

Very difficult moral conundrum, when you consider all life equal. Besides, it give all sorts of holier-then-though types a reason to talk about things they have little to no education in. Those who have education rarely act by the holier-then-though route.

So it's basically a matter of valuing Israeli life over Palestinian life... Bah.