I never said you should be happy waiting. I never said that Positive non-heterosexual role models and the passage of time are enough. I never said stop fighting for rights.
That was certainly what you implied! Your entire comment was an endorsement of treating the issue of Human Rights as though they are some arbitrary, abstract and not-really-human goal.
All I said is that it takes time. I gave you two examples of similar cases where people are uneducated and unenlightened - where it is taking centuries to get people to open their eyes.
Perhaps I wasn't strong enough in my language, but what tinyrevolution said... I just said it in more words and obviously too subtly. We, queer people, are in fact among you. We are treated differently, violently attacked and our lives are affected by this hatred and fear. Science may not get the funding it deserves because people are idiots, but abstracting peoples lives to processes that have very little direct impact on my quality of life - which is what you did - is particularly insulting, condescending and shows how little understanding you actually have about what heteronormative society actually does and commits upon queer bodies - this is a recount of the attack in Jerusalem (http://www.gogay.co.il/content/article.asp?id=8363) (Hebrew).
Where did I tell you to accept the fact that you're oppressed? All I'm saying is that it's a long term problem - with a long term solution. Obviously, if you don't fight, it will take longer.
Here: "Well, good luck... centuries of hard facts haven't been able to mute opposition to those two principles. How do you expect people who think that the world was created 6,000 years ago (or people who don't think at all) to be able to get off the pedestal of being "special"?" Telling me education is the answer is akin to giving me a pat on the head and saying "there, there".
Do you honestly think that us simple people do not know that education is a tool? Are you really so unaware that there are queer oriented education programs, like Hoshen (http://www.hoshen.org/), Tehila (http://www.tehila.org.il/) and IGY (http://igy.org.il/content/index.html).
I'm displeased that you would presume to tell me how long I should wait until other people feel comfortable with my existence as a person, while I watch people walk about the world without ever having to think about why they might be offending, or scaring, or how safe we actually are in a place because we are holding hands or kissing. That isn't the Sun or my uncle the Monkey. That is life right now. You saying it will take time is stating the obvious and normalising the oppression that permeates our culture, putting people at risk.
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I never said that Positive non-heterosexual role models and the passage of time are enough.
I never said stop fighting for rights.
That was certainly what you implied! Your entire comment was an endorsement of treating the issue of Human Rights as though they are some arbitrary, abstract and not-really-human goal.
All I said is that it takes time. I gave you two examples of similar cases where people are uneducated and unenlightened - where it is taking centuries to get people to open their eyes.
Perhaps I wasn't strong enough in my language, but what
Where did I tell you to accept the fact that you're oppressed? All I'm saying is that it's a long term problem - with a long term solution. Obviously, if you don't fight, it will take longer.
Here: "Well, good luck... centuries of hard facts haven't been able to mute opposition to those two principles. How do you expect people who think that the world was created 6,000 years ago (or people who don't think at all) to be able to get off the pedestal of being "special"?"
Telling me education is the answer is akin to giving me a pat on the head and saying "there, there".
Do you honestly think that us simple people do not know that education is a tool? Are you really so unaware that there are queer oriented education programs, like Hoshen (http://www.hoshen.org/), Tehila (http://www.tehila.org.il/) and IGY (http://igy.org.il/content/index.html).
I'm displeased that you would presume to tell me how long I should wait until other people feel comfortable with my existence as a person, while I watch people walk about the world without ever having to think about why they might be offending, or scaring, or how safe we actually are in a place because we are holding hands or kissing.
That isn't the Sun or my uncle the Monkey.
That is life right now. You saying it will take time is stating the obvious and normalising the oppression that permeates our culture, putting people at risk.