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Eumelia ([personal profile] eumelia) wrote2008-11-08 11:52 am

Writer's Block: Revolutionary Thought

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Teevee.
Television.
As a sampler and some-times addict of that potent drug I can't help but try and explain.

Commencing academia babble now:
Benedict Anderson wrote about Imagined Communities, the idea that through a non-existent or imagined commonality we establish the community in which we live.
He speaks mainly about the print and literature in order to exemplify this, because News papers are the most reproduced form of literature in the world today - think of those scenes in 1940's and 50's movies in which the frame is filled with men in fedoras and all of them reading the New York Time or the London Times, etc. Are they looking at one another? Do they communicate with each other? Most likely they can barely recognize each others face, but they are reading the same thing and they imagine or consider what they think about they are reading to be social consensus, despite the fact that they most likely would never talk about what they are thinking to another person.
That's an imagined community.

Television takes it one step further in my opinion.
News papers are relevant until the next edition and it takes conscious thought to read and absorb the information and data printed on a page.
Television by its nature, allows you to switch off your cognitive operations and just sponge in what is going on as you watch the screen.
Television has replaced religion when it comes to values as well.
Once in order to know what was right and wrong you listened to pulpits to tell you who was good, who was evil and what one should believe.
Now television tells us who is vilified, what is beautiful, how we ourselves can be like the idols which we worship on the flat screened alter.
Instead of family prayer, a family will congregate around the television and watch the episode of whatever programme we are addicted to at the moment.
And we obsess about it, no less than people used to obsess about god while those who control and create the discourse make some kind of profit off us "sheeple".

[identity profile] mao4269.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
So true! (Sorry, this is going to turn into me geeking out monologue-style; I hope it's also engaging what you were getting at and/or interesting!)

Religion is defined (well, by Otto anyway) as that which provides a numinous experience, that lets us get outside ourselves. As a result, it can function as an opiate - if we can escape beyond ourselves, there's less incentive to fight being oppressed. With the written word, however, people started articulating and recording their individual experiences, and this created a fundamental shift in how they thought about the world (think of the secularization hypothesis), and they started sharing their individual experiences. A big part of what I got out of Anderson's work was that widespread literacy allowed for the formation of communities because people who couldn't communicate orally in the past were now able to do so verbally. Television retains that quality partly because body language and vocal tone communicates a lot even without words, and partly through dubbing and subtitles. At the same time, t.v, particularly reality television, goes back to much of the role played by religion - viewers can identify with the people on screen and thereby both escape themselves and bond with a larger community of viewers. Reading, for all that it can foster "imagined communities" and/or be a form of escapism, is a decidedly individual activity, whereas both religious observance and television watching, even if done alone, are all about feeling something other than your individual emotions.

[identity profile] eumelia.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
#1 Articulating my points fantastically.

#2 I love geekery monologue style, what's a blog without it?!

[identity profile] shelestel.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for formulating. I disagree with your analysis at a number of points, but mainly in the conclusion. I do not see the function of tv programming as much different from that of novels and news papers. It's just that it uses a language which is easier for us to comprehend and produces a more immediate impact, as well as is impossible to "put aside". Yet, popular written texts strive to possess the same quality of grabbing the reader's attention and not letting it go, while art works in the genre of moving picture can easily be "put aside" and reviewed indefinitely. Also think of cult movies.

[identity profile] mao4269.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
When I refer to getting outside yourself I mean not just having your attention grabbed but the feeling that what's grabbing your attention is somehow tied in with something bigger than yourself. Much as I've gotten sucked in to books, it's been with the characters and worlds that the author creates, not with a broader real-life community. By contrast, the books that Anderson cites as fostering nationalism aren't the novels that allow readers to identify emotionally but the non-fiction that allows for analysis of the socio-historical situation.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean about cult movies...?

[identity profile] shelestel.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Books that "foster nationalism", or any other set of values for that matter, are imo precisely those that can grab the attention of many people through emotional connection to characters who act in specific (politically non-neutral ways) ways. It works well when the reader does not think of the content as political in nature. There is some sort of a strange tendency in some layers of society to view books as inherently more politically progressive and otherwise more mature and beneficial than television. This is a result of a misunderstanding and constitutes little but usual intelligentsia snobbery. Yes, some books do make you think more than most moving images, but those books are nowhere near the mainstream of the publishing industry. One also has to remember the relatively young age of the moving image technology and its higher costs.
On what grounds do you claim that tv watching is mainly about "connecting to something bigger than yourself" in a way novels aren't? I don't understand.
Cult movies are good examples of motion pictures that were turned into (theatrical, ritualistic) close resemblances of written texts. They are broken apart, taken out of context, paraphrased etc - fans treat them the way one traditionally treated a written text. Also, think of tabloids. No connection to bigger than life celebrity life?

[identity profile] mao4269.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm differentiating between identifying with a character and being motivated by that to take a political action and feeling part of a societal group. Based on my personal experience, I think that books can definitely do the former but don't do the latter, whereas television can. If anything, I think that the example of cult movies supports that idea. Huge groups connect with them, whereas even the most popular books generally only inspire a small elite to break them apart, take them out of context, etc.

[identity profile] shelestel.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm differentiating between identifying with a character and being motivated by that to take a political action and feeling part of a societal group.
But... why? They are so interconnected. You connect to someone, you begin to emulate them in some ways, to think like them about some things, no?

Based on my personal experience, I think that books can definitely do the former but don't do the latter, whereas television can.
That's because your experience doesn't include living in pre-tv times :).


[identity profile] mao4269.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
My point is that there's a difference between beginning to emulate/think like a person and feeling part of a large group. There are texts that prompt the former (Uncle Tom's Cabin comes to mind), and there are texts that give people an intellectual reason to want to form or maintain particular large groups (Paine's Common Sense comes to mind), but as for texts that foster *feeling* part of a large group, I can't think of any examples from pre-T.V. times or since whereas there are plenty both in the spoken word (JFK's inauguration speech, for example) and in television (American Idol).

[identity profile] shelestel.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
as for texts that foster *feeling* part of a large group, I can't think of any examples from pre-T.V.
Soviet lit played this role for many people for a long time. For Russian intelligentsia the books on the shelf are to this day a very clear status marker (which already has to do with the iconic and symbolic meanings of the book, not with what it says).

[identity profile] mao4269.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
But if that was just the case for the intelligentsia, then it confirms my argument!

[identity profile] shelestel.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
In pre-tv times it wasn't an elite. Of course, there was a layer of the population that didn't read (much) and was harder to reach, which, one is to suppose, is precisely why the communists set literacy and cheap book prices as top priorities. The way I see it, the audio-visual language of tv is simply more accessible to the average brain, and is hence more utilizable for any sort of broad-scale mind control.

[identity profile] mao4269.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
In the U.S. context radio was more important during t.v. during the second quarter of the 20th century. What role, if any, did radio play in the first couple decades of the Soviet regime?

[identity profile] shelestel.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
The role of the party's herald :).

[identity profile] mao4269.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
What role did radio play relative to texts? Which was more prevalent among "everyday people"?

[identity profile] shelestel.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I цame across such hilarious soviet statistics texts trying to find a rigorous answer. The truth is I'm a bit lazy and not geeky enough to dig for relevant research. Maybe if I feel like it later I'll get back to you, if you're interested.

[identity profile] shelestel.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
The last sentence sounds a bit off, sorry. I was trying to articulate that I feel now I have to (research radio vs written press) but at the same I don't want to do it right now :).